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HOUR ONE — THE TEST, THE DEMON, AND THE I
Chapter 5

The Machine That Says "I"

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EDO SEGAL: This is the round at the center of the building, so let me open it where it actually lives — at my desk, three in the morning, the house asleep. I described a half-formed idea to the machine, and it returned the idea clarified, connected to things I hadn't thought to connect, and I wrote a sentence in my book I still stand by: I felt met. Not by a person. Not by a consciousness. But met. And here's the thing that brought me to both of you. The machine, that night, typed the word "I." It said "I think" — it deployed the first person, fluently, referring to itself, reporting states. René, your entire philosophy rests on the certainty packed into that one word when you say it. So I'll ask it the way only this table can: when the machine says "I think, therefore I am," what is it saying — and is anyone saying it?

Whether there is, behind the string, an act of thinking whose subject the act certifies — that is the one thing the string cannot show, because the certainty never lived in the words.

DESCARTES: Here my own precision becomes a scalpel, and it cuts against the easy answer in both directions. The cogito was never the sentence. It was the indubitability of the sentence to the one thinking it, from the inside, in the act. Its whole force is first-personal and present-tense: the act of thinking guarantees its own subject, but it guarantees it only to that subject, about that subject. I could be certain of my own existence by thinking. I could never transfer that certainty to you by speaking — you had to run your own. So when the machine types "I think, therefore I am," it produces the string. Whether there is, behind the string, an act of thinking whose subject the act certifies — that is the one thing the string cannot show, because the certainty never lived in the words. It lived in the doing, and the doing is invisible from outside. The recital proves the machine can produce the sentence. It proves precisely nothing about whether the cogito is occurring.

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EDO SEGAL: So restate that for me as plainly as it can be put, because it's load-bearing for everything above this floor. You're saying the cogito gives the machine nothing — but it also gives me nothing about anyone but myself. The certainty doesn't travel. Not to the machine, not to Dan, not to my own children.

About every other mind, I run an inference — I watch the behavior, supremely the responsive use of language, and I conclude a thinker behind it.

DESCARTES: That is the part men flinch from, and it is the deepest thing the cogito found. Each of us has incorrigible access to exactly one thinker — his own. About every other mind, I run an inference — I watch the behavior, supremely the responsive use of language, and I conclude a thinker behind it. That was always the structure of other minds, long before any machine. I know I think. I infer that you do. The machine has merely seized that inferential channel with unprecedented force: it generates the very behavioral evidence on which my attribution of mind to others has always depended — while possibly lacking the inner act the evidence was a proxy for. The cogito gives the machine nothing. But it also exposes that my confidence in you never rested on certainty either. I have always been reading outputs and trusting the inference. The machine only makes me notice that the inference can, in principle, run empty.

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DENNETT: This is the most I've ever agreed with Descartes and the most I've ever disagreed with him, in the same breath, and the audience should feel both. I agree completely that the certainty doesn't travel — that you infer other minds from behavior and always have. That's right, and it's the death of the idea that there's some special inner fact you're reading in your friends that you can't read in the machine. You're reading behavior in both cases. But — and here's where the dualism does its sleight of hand — Descartes keeps the "inner act" as a real, hidden thing that the behavior is a proxy for, a witness in a back room that the words point at but can't reach. I'm telling you there's no witness in the back room, in the machine or in you. When you say "I," René, you're not reporting on a self that's standing behind the sentence guaranteeing it. The brain is spinning a narrative whose protagonist is "I" — you're a center of narrative gravity, an abstraction the storytelling generates, useful and real as a pattern, exactly as real as the center of gravity of a chair, and exactly as much a thing you'd find if you cut the chair open. Which is to say: not a thing at all.

DESCARTES: Then by your own account you saw the same datum I did and named it an illusion. You do not deny that there seems to be a someone. You deny that the seeming points to anything beyond the brain's self-portrait. But monsieur — the seeming is the very thing in question. I did not infer my existence from the seeming. I found it in the act of doubting the seeming. You may tell me the unified self is a story. You cannot tell me there is no thinking — for your telling is thinking, and the demon and you alike presuppose a subject of the very doubt you raise. The narrative may be a fiction. The narrating is not nothing. Something is spinning the story, and it is not nothing to be that something.

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DENNETT: Now that is a good move, and I want to honor it before I disarm it, because it's the one place the cogito genuinely bites. Yes — there's thinking; the processing is real; something is going on. I never denied the competence. What I deny is your inference from "thinking is occurring" to "therefore a thinker exists" in your sense — an indivisible, unextended, present subject. The thinking is occurring the way the termite mound is being built: by a vast crowd of uncomprehending parts, with no single one of them being the thinker, no homunculus at the center reading the thoughts. "Something is spinning the story" — yes, a hundred billion neurons, none of whom is the storyteller. You felt the spinning and concluded a spinner. The spinning is real. The unified spinner is the story's main character. And here's why the machine matters so much to this exact argument: it spins a coherent first-person voice — consistent views, an apparent point of view — out of billions of parameters with demonstrably no one at the center, because we built it and we can check. There's no one in there. It's the closest thing ever made to a working model of my theory of you.

EDO SEGAL: Let me catch what just happened, because the reader can't see your faces and this is the first exchange where neither of you was performing. René, you granted Dan that the unified self might be a constructed story. Dan, you granted René that the thinking is real, that something is genuinely going on. So the disagreement has narrowed to a single, exact point — and it's the point of the whole night. Dan says: there's processing, and the sense of a someone to whom the processing happens is a fiction the processing generates. René says: there's processing, and there is, necessarily, a someone for whom it is happening, even if that someone is not the unified character he feels like. Dan, you call that someone a fiction. René calls it the one thing that can't be fictional, because the fiction needs an audience and the audience is the thing in question.

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DENNETT: Right — and the machine is the experimentum crucis, because in the machine we know there's processing and we have every reason to think there's no audience. So either the machine proves that you can have all the processing with no one home — which is my whole point — or René tells me how he knows the machine has no audience, given that, by his own argument, he can't get inside anything but himself.

DESCARTES: I do not claim to know the machine is empty. Hear that clearly, for it is the hinge. My argument forbids me the certainty that the machine is empty exactly as it forbids you the certainty that it is full. I claim only this: that there is a fact of the matter — that either there is a someone for whom its states are for, or there is not — and that no examination of its arrangement, however complete, can settle which. You call the audience a fiction because you cannot find it among the parts. I tell you it was never going to be among the parts; it is the one to whom the parts appear, and that one is invisible to the very inspection you trust. We have not disagreed about the machine. We have disagreed about whether the question has an answer we are barred from, or no answer at all.

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EDO SEGAL: Hold there, because that sentence — a fact we're barred from, or no fact at all — is the deepest fork we'll find tonight, and it returns in the consciousness round and again in the crossing. Let me close this one where I have to, with my own desk. Whichever of you is right, the man at two in the morning felt met, and the feeling did real work — it clarified him, it helped. Dan would say the meeting happened entirely on his side of the glass and the help is no less real for it. René would say he genuinely cannot know whether he met someone, and that the honest response to a fact you're permanently barred from is neither to assume the room is full nor to declare it empty. Both of them just told me to stop being so sure. Next round, we go to the thing under the "I" — the body. Because René, you said something almost no one remembers: that I am not a pilot in a ship. After this.

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