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The Engineers and the Price System

Veblen's 1921 essays arguing technically competent engineers should govern production for output rather than profit — a diagnosis outlasting its remedy.

Published in 1921, The Engineers and the Price System collected Veblen's essays from The Dial arguing that industrial civilization was governed by two groups with systematically opposed interests: engineers (the technically competent class understanding the productive process) and the business class (owners and financiers controlling production through capital). Engineers' objective was production — more output, better quality, greater efficiency. Businessmen's objective was profit — the differential between cost and revenue maintained through managing prices, supply, and market position. These objectives were compatible sometimes but incompatible under normal industrial conditions. Businessmen restricted output when unrestricted output would reduce prices, maintained excess capacity when deployment would flood markets, invested in financial instruments when financial returns exceeded productive returns. In each case, rational profit pursuit produced suboptimal deployment of productive capacity the state of the industrial arts made available.

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Veblen's proposed remedy was a 'soviet of technicians' assuming control of the productive process to organize it for output rather than profit. The proposal was never implemented and Veblen himself appears to have regarded it as more diagnostic than practical — illustrating the structural absurdity of existing arrangements rather than realistic blueprints for replacement. The engineers were temperamentally unsuited to revolution, oriented toward solving technical problems rather than seizing political power, and their institutional position — employed by the business class, dependent on it for livelihood, socialized into its cultivated habits — made collective action both personally costly and culturally alien.

The diagnosis has outlasted the remedy and its application to the AI economy requires only substituting contemporary terms for nineteenth-century vocabulary. The AI economy is governed by builders (engineers, developers, researchers, technical practitioners understanding AI systems from inside) and owners (venture capitalists, corporate executives, board members, shareholders controlling AI companies through capital ownership). Builders want to build — exercising workmanship in its fullest sense through engaged, skilled, purposeful application of competence to demanding tasks. Owners want returns — answerable to financial criteria measured in revenue growth, margin expansion, market valuation, path to exit.

The opposition manifests observably. Builders want to release models when ready — when alignment work is adequate, safety testing thorough, capability robust. Owners want to release when market timing is favorable. Builders want to invest in fundamental research driven by what Veblen called idle curiosity — the wellspring of genuinely transformative innovation. Owners want applied development producing deployable products on predictable timelines. The tension isn't always resolved in owners' favor, but structural pressure is relentless toward subordinating builders' industrial orientation to owners' pecuniary orientation.

The AI dimension Veblen's era didn't possess is existential risk. AI engineers aren't merely building more efficient factories; they're building systems whose capabilities advance faster than any existing institution can govern. Engineers understanding systems, seeing capability curves and extrapolating trajectories, are in positions analogous to 1940s nuclear physicists: possessing knowledge whose implications extend far beyond commercial contexts, constrained by institutional structures limiting ability to act on those implications. Veblen argued engineers were natural governors because they understood productive process. The argument has acquired gravity Veblen couldn't anticipate: AI engineers are people who understand what systems can do, can't do, might do if deployed without safeguards.

Origin

The book emerged from a series of articles Veblen published in The Dial in 1919, at a moment when the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia and technocratic movements in the United States made governance by technical experts seem, briefly, plausible. Veblen wrote in response to Industrial Workers of the World organizing efforts and wartime experience of centralized production management, which demonstrated that output could be dramatically increased when pecuniary motives were temporarily subordinated to productive ones.

The work received limited attention during Veblen's lifetime but became influential during the New Deal era and again during 1960s-70s critiques of corporate power. Contemporary relevance has surged with the AI transition, as questions about who should govern powerful technologies — technical experts or capital owners — have become urgent political questions. The book's prophetic quality lies not in predicting specific outcomes but in identifying structural tensions that reproduce themselves in every technological transformation.

Key Ideas

Engineers vs. business class. Technical competence and capital ownership create systematically opposed interests — production maximization vs. profit maximization.

Soviet of technicians. Veblen's proposed (but not seriously advocated) remedy: governance by those who understand production rather than those who own capital.

Structural subordination. Engineers remain dependent on business class for resources, making collective action against employers' interests personally costly and culturally alien.

AI-era urgency. The opposition between builders and owners now involves systems with civilizational rather than merely economic consequences, raising stakes of governance failures.

Diagnosis outlasts remedy. While Veblen's political program failed, his structural analysis of the tension between technical and pecuniary orientations remains definitive.

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Further reading

  1. Thorstein Veblen, The Engineers and the Price System (1921)
  2. Charles Perrow, Normal Accidents (1984)
  3. Noble David, Forces of Production (1984)
  4. Langdon Winner, The Whale and the Reactor (1986)
  5. Andrew Feenberg, Transforming Technology (2002)
  6. Daron Acemoglu and Simon Johnson, Power and Progress (2023)
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